HE’S been a Hollywood star since his teens, when he starred in Class, Sixteen Candles, and The Sure Thing, but thankfully John Cusack was never like the characters in David Cronenberg’s Maps To The Stars.
A brutal satire about the players, wannabes, and has-beens of Hollywood, Cusack plays Stafford Weiss, a self-help guru who peddles his therapies to the weak-minded.
Father to the foul Benjie (Evan Bird), a rehab- hopping teen star of the Bad Babysitter franchise, Stafford is just one of the soulless ghouls that haunts the Hollywood Hills in what is the Canadian Cronenberg’s first real foray into Tinseltown terrain.
I was older than him [when I started acting], and I wasn’t in a huge Hollywood franchise. I just got to work as an actor.
But just the idea of being that young and having that much pressure on you, and being at the very height of Hollywood, would be terrible to think about.
I remember being a couple of years older and starting and what a head trip it was, at 16 or 17, and that was working with good people and having a pretty good introduction to it. I worked with some really nice people.
The film business was a lot different back then; It was more like personalities ran studios, it was a little bit more of the old movie mogul thing. It was intense but not so corporate or cutthroat.
I didn’t know… I was a young guy. But I worked with John Sayles and the great cinematographer Lazlo Kovacs… so I was lucky. But if you start off as [starring in] Bad Babysitter and you were trying to protect a franchise… oh my God!
No, no. It wasn’t. We lived in Chicago. No one knew what Hollywood was, except for the movies or the art-houses. I’d never been to California.
I had no experience of it. My sister [Joan] and I started working in Chicago, around 16, 17, in high school — because they happened to be making films about teenagers at that time. Before that, they never made films about young people.
And now? You can’t even show a 28-year-old woman without someone saying, ‘She’s menopausal, right?’!
It’s gotten so crazy. When I was a kid, it was, ‘Oh, there’s a movie about young people’, but it wasn’t a genre.
I think so. When we made Say Anything, it wasn’t a teen movie. It was just a movie; they called it a ‘coming-of-age’ movie, but that was it.
It’s so well written. The script was surprising and inevitable, and that’s what I think tragedy is. You could get surprised or shocked by something, but it’s all inevitable — going to a place where you go, ‘Of course, that’s where it has to end.’
It’s a very singular piece of writing, and Bruce is a very meta synaptic-firing writer. And David is this very precise formalist, so I thought, ‘That’s going to be a really interesting mix.’
That’s what I thought. It was all there. I talked to David about how he liked to work, and then tried to figure [things] out… I did think about what it would’ve been like if I’d started then, and I had really had crazy parents and I lived in LA. I tried to think about, ‘What would be the worse possible father? The most damaged version?’
: You groan— it’s like a bone on bone; it’s like a hit in a football game. You hear it and you go, ‘Oh! That’s terrible!’
No! They’re so awkward and weird. Weirdly, that was the first day we were working.
I think a lot of actors feel that the act of doing those things is somehow therapeutic for them. Most actors feel that it would be better if you… you need to get some things out. You don’t know how to form it.
You obviously have some things you need to release. Then there’s an instinct as an actor to go to a place… normal people try not to feel things and actors try to go into the most dangerous places they can and then hide it.
So it’s an intuitive thing, to go towards the flame — so we must know that there’s stuff we better get out.
Yeah, sure — an exploitative charlatan of Biblical proportions!
Sure. I was doing a film that’s going to come out on Brian Wilson, Love And Mercy. Interesting film.
You talk about the California of the Fifties and Sixties; Joan Didion says there is a Chekhovian sense of loss and uneasiness in the air — and this is a loose quote and I’m probably getting it wrong — as if all the people there thought we better make it here, because if not, we’ve run out of continent!
And I think there’s that sense of that frontier mentality, which is, ‘This is our last stop!’ People that come towards LA and fame… where else are you going to go?
Go up to Alaska? Go be fucking Grizzly Man? There’s a real desperation there. So I think that environment leads to all sorts of free, original thinking, but also desert crazies! And all the people that prey on those people.
We were just noticing in LA that there were these things — agents and managers. Then I realised there were these things called ‘life coaches’.
Well, I knew about Tony Robbins. I loved the ‘personal power’ things. I don’t know much about Tony, but it seems like he has this act of will — like Scientology.
He wants you to control your thinking, and they’re all half-true things, but it just feels bat-shit crazy and culty. That’s just the way it feels, right?
I know Scientology is bat-shit crazy. These evangelising shrink coaches… it’s got to be only in LA, right? Then tere are life-coaches… and they mix psycho-babble, like Oprah’s psychology with Rolfing and past-life regression therapies.
It’s the place where the guy who ran The Source — a health food restaurant — started a cult in the Seventies and they were called the Source Family and he proclaimed himself a divine being and he had followers. It was a cult! So LA’s got something special!
He’s precise, super-precise, and super-fabulous, super-wonderful, super-warm… he’s the most amazing, generous, kind, decent, loyal, loving human being… and just totally, fantastically fabulous!
Seriously, though, he’s a trip, he’s really intense. But he actually is a really nice, friendly guy.
Yeah, I’ve seen it! But I’ve been lucky. I haven’t had to deal with that much.
All those things can happen all the time. I don’t think it’s any different to Silicon Valley, or the financial district, or Washington — any type of place where there’s powerful people, there’s a lot of capital in flux, it’s sort of the Wild West… it’s a rigged game. Anytime there’s fear and ambition and greed…
I don’t hang out there, though I have a place in California and I go out there.
I have some good friends out there, but if you really think about it, there are seven, eight people I consider really close, that I’ll see when I’m there.
I think if you survive in the business, you probably get the joke after a while. I think there are people that are pretty nice, but they do tend to live other places! That’s how they survive.
No! I don’t care about any of that shit!
Yeah, but I wasn’t interested in them until I investigated the music more. I got into the surf music and Dick Dale and all that stuff — and it came from Phil Spector and his sound, the Wall of Sound, and then Brian Wilson was in this race, almost, with the Beatles.
It was just him, the Beatles, and George Martin, and they were creating the next century of music as they went.
And how much Wilson influenced the Beatles… he really did Sgt Pepper first with the Smile sessions, and McCartney heard it, and you can hear the next 50 years of music in those Smile sessions and in Pet Sounds. He was a real bona fide genius and still going strong. He’s a lovely guy.
Yes, I’ve become close with the Wilsons, and I actually got to sing with them. It was kinda cool. It was at the wrap party and Brian said, ‘Johnny B Goode’ — you’re going to sing with us.’ And I said, ‘I don’t normally sing’.
He said, ‘You’re gonna be great.’ You can’t not do it, right? Otherwise you’ll go to your grave [having not done it]… it would be better if you fail and you look like an asshole, but you don’t want to say the Mozart of rock’n’roll said, ‘Come up and sing back up’ and you were too much of a coward to do it. So I shamed myself into doing it! And he’s pretty incredible, and his wife is also.
What I think is interesting is the idea that you can curate content. If I like somebody’s stuff, I can say, ‘If you think I’m interesting, I’ll tell you who I think is interesting’, and you trust me, so I can read all my news from the Twitter feed.
And then you can promote stuff that you want, that you think is worth it. If you like a book, and you just feel like doing it… I don’t get paid for it, or anything, but just do it… I think that’s interesting.
No, and that’s good. The other thing is, it’s changed the way movies are distributed, it’s changed the way movies are marketed… the press junket is over now.
They know that you have to talk to the journalist, but then once you do, it’s going to go virally online. People are going to have their opinion from the screenings, no matter what the critics say.
No. Well, sometimes on TV, I might stop and watch for a while until it gets too painful. Then I’ll change channel. I remember one time, The Grifters was on.
I’ve worked with Stephen Frears, who is such a great director, twice. And I remember stopping and watching it — it was Annette [Bening] and Angelica [Huston], and I started to watch the story a little bit, and then I came on, and I saw myself differently. And I thought, ‘Oh, that’s good.’
Maps To The Stars is available on Blu-Ray and DVD on February 2, (Entertainment One)