Anglo trial jury hears tape of David Drumm speaking 'in fairly colourful terms'

Anglo trial jury hears tape of David Drumm speaking 'in fairly colourful terms'
David Drumm

The former CEO of Anglo Irish Bank, David Drumm, asked about “bloating” the bank's balance sheet with short term inter-bank loans in 2008, a court has heard.

The trial of four bankers accused of taking part in an alleged market deception scheme also heard references by one of the accused, John Bowe (aged 52) to “rinky dink deals”.

Four former executives from Anglo and Irish Life & Permanent (ILP) are on trial for allegedly conspiring to mislead investors by setting up a €7.2bn circular transaction scheme to bolster Anglo's balance sheet.

Mr Bowe from Glasnevin, Dublin, Willie McAteer (aged 65) of Greenrath, Tipperary Town, Co Tipperary, Denis Casey (aged 56), from Raheny, Dublin, Peter Fitzpatrick (aged 63) of Convent Lane, Portmarnock, Dublin have all pleaded not guilty at Dublin Circuit Criminal Court to conspiring together and with others to mislead investors through financial transactions between March 1 and September 30, 2008.

On day 62 the 13-strong jury listened to taped telephone calls involving Mr Drumm speaking, in what counsel called “fairly colourful terms”, to Mr Bowe, Anglo's head of Capital Markets at the time.

The calls were played as part of the evidence of Mr Bowe's cautioned interviews made to investigators from the Garda Bureau of Fraud Investigation in June 2012.

In a discussion in September 2008 about the bank's upcoming end of year accounts Mr Drumm told Mr Bowe to “just leave the rating agency aside for a minute because that's just a complete f**king ni***r in the woodpile”.

Mr Drumm asks Mr Bowe “do we have to cash back that?” if they got “six billion” from ILP? Asked about this telephone call Mr Bowe told gardaí it might be a loose use of terminology and Mr Drumm may have been questioning if the bank had the money to place with ILP.

He agreed that it “clearly” showed a relationship between Anglo's deposits with ILP and Irish Life's deposit back with Anglo.

Elsewhere in the tapes Mr Drumm tells Mr Bowe that the “bigger picture” is that on September 30 “even with the six billion fixes which Mr f**king Denis (Casey) confirmed for me this morning....we're f**ked”.

Mr Bowe replied: “We're still in a hole”. Mr Drumm later tells him: “We have to get a get out of jail card before December 3rd. Unless we can fix the poxy balance sheet over year end, which is next weekend, which to me just does not look doable”.

He adds: “If we pop up with that balance sheet it's curtains”.

Mr Drumm later asked Mr Bowe how Anglo would collateralise the loans from ILP and the accused replied: “It’s done as a cash deal. So the money just goes into him but he pays it back”.

Mr Drumm then asked: “Are you going to be able to bloat the balance sheet...over year end with short term inter-bank and all that sort of stuff and shove it into liquidity?” He talked about the bank surviving the next few weeks.

In another taped telephone call Mr Bowe asked his Treasury colleague Ciaran McArdle in March 2008 about “rinky dink deals”. In interview Mr Bowe told Detective Sergeant Michael McKenna that this was a reference to transactions designed to support the customers deposit number.

He said it wasn't a financial term. Asked if he agreed the term suggested “dodgy deals” Mr Bowe said: “No I wouldn’t agree. If I wanted to convey dodgy I would have said dodgy”.

He said he had heard the phrase used to describe deposits which are “a little bit different”.

The trial continues before Judge Martin Nolan and a jury.

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